Is anyone running a BPSA and BSA program at the same time?

I am wondering if there's a way to create an "all of the above" approach, anyone?

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I agree the idea of scouting gets effected by adults like you stated and more due to politics effecting it. Scouts are Scouts no matter where they live or what uniform they wear.  It really should be a global programing for all youth and just called "Scouts"!   

One program, one uniform.  The only way you could tell a Scout from one country to the next would be their country's flag and language used on patches they live in.

How's that for an idea!

Great thing is, that in the heart of Scouts it already is that way.

Clark, 

While individuals may be involved in different programs as leaders; Boy Scouts of America, Girl Scouts of the USA, Royal Rangers, 4H, etc., attempting to run both a BSA & BPSA program simultaneously is a disservice to the youth and the respective programs. Although the ideals are nearly the same, as well as our mission, it is the details that matter.

It does not make much sense to "do" two silmultaneous youth development programs at the same time. Although you could combine for a specific meeting dealing with one activity which both groups could gain knowledge from.  In attempting to combine programs, which uniform does one wear? Which Oath, Law, etc.  

BPSA is a traditional Scouting organization and we wear our uniform for everything, we do not have a "class b" such as the BSA with the Field and Activity uniforms. Our Outdoor program, and our existance is a result of the changes which came to scouting in the UK and the USA in the 60-70's and the outdoors was minimalized. If he were still alive today, Green Bar Bill Hillcourt, the only 5Beader in the US, would be a member of the BPSA. 

If you, and, or if a youth desires to do both, they should be kept as separate meetings for clarity, emphasis on individual identity, and some simple housekeeping. For instance, the BPSA provides more latitude in being 'accepting' of folks, which are not accepted by the BSA. You will have problems in attempting to 'combine' both into one group. It can not be done.

However, I have known youth that were active both in BSA and Baden-Powell Service Association simultaneously, but they went to separate meetings wearing totally different uniforms for each respective meeting, as well as working on totally different skills and techniques depending on the program at hand. 

If I can help in any other way, please feel free to call me. (518) 796-1001

Rick Saunders, NorthEast Region Commissioner

Oh, not exactly. In fact, WOSM organizations basically look down on WFIS traditional scouting orgs such as ours (obviously this isn't the same the other way around, but it is a reality that we need to remember). Read this for further detail: http://bpsa-us.ning.com/forum/topics/fake-scouting

Clarke Green said:

Great thing is, that in the heart of Scouts it already is that way.

Accepted that it's human nature to form organizations that tend to consider themselves to be better than others, and this is what I would like to avoid. 

Jeff Kopp said:

Oh, not exactly. In fact, WOSM organizations basically look down on WFIS traditional scouting orgs such as ours (obviously this isn't the same the other way around, but it is a reality that we need to remember). Read this for further detail: http://bpsa-us.ning.com/forum/topics/fake-scouting

Clarke Green said:

Great thing is, that in the heart of Scouts it already is that way.

Thanks Rick

I'll accept that as an official "no" and move on.


Richard C Saunders Jr (Rick) said:

Clark, 

While individuals may be involved in different programs as leaders; Boy Scouts of America, Girl Scouts of the USA, Royal Rangers, 4H, etc., attempting to run both a BSA & BPSA program simultaneously is a disservice to the youth and the respective programs. Although the ideals are nearly the same, as well as our mission, it is the details that matter.

It does not make much sense to "do" two silmultaneous youth development programs at the same time. Although you could combine for a specific meeting dealing with one activity which both groups could gain knowledge from.  In attempting to combine programs, which uniform does one wear? Which Oath, Law, etc.  

BPSA is a traditional Scouting organization and we wear our uniform for everything, we do not have a "class b" such as the BSA with the Field and Activity uniforms. Our Outdoor program, and our existance is a result of the changes which came to scouting in the UK and the USA in the 60-70's and the outdoors was minimalized. If he were still alive today, Green Bar Bill Hillcourt, the only 5Beader in the US, would be a member of the BPSA. 

If you, and, or if a youth desires to do both, they should be kept as separate meetings for clarity, emphasis on individual identity, and some simple housekeeping. For instance, the BPSA provides more latitude in being 'accepting' of folks, which are not accepted by the BSA. You will have problems in attempting to 'combine' both into one group. It can not be done.

However, I have known youth that were active both in BSA and Baden-Powell Service Association simultaneously, but they went to separate meetings wearing totally different uniforms for each respective meeting, as well as working on totally different skills and techniques depending on the program at hand. 

If I can help in any other way, please feel free to call me. (518) 796-1001

Rick Saunders, NorthEast Region Commissioner

We created our Rover Crew so that BSA Scouters could have fun like the youth. (Since BSA's idea of adults is only to be leaders and help kids succeed without ever considering the needs of adults.) We camp, canoe, hike, backpack, picnic, etc like a patrol of kids. We do live by the Rover motto of, Service, and give back to BSA (and the community) as adult leaders. In this way we are able to accomplish to goals simultaneously - have fun like kids and give back to Scouting.

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